John --
Actually, our main partners are children, teachers, and parents, and none of them will be interested in knowing how Tweak differs or is similar to other object systems. They just want to do stuff, and we need to show them and help them. Computer jocks can ask questions about the model on the Squeak list.
This is why my answer was facetious .....
Cheers,
Alan
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At 12:27 PM -0400 8/20/03, John Voiklis wrote:
The run yielded nothing; oh well.
I only brought the whole thing up because, from what I have heard of Tweak, it is a new way of doing things. I feel we need a new vocabulary to make sure it is recognized as such; otherwise we may find that we spend most of our time explaining how and why this differs from other object-oriented and/or prototype languages.
Anyway, I am being too serious, all of the sudden. I simply wanted to throw an idea into the mix; in the same way that you, Andreas, have said that the syntax of a programming environment is part of its UI, I believe the words we use to describe the environment inevitably shape the environment and how we work there.
Again, I need to lighten up. It's best I get back to the docs that I promised to post.
--J
-----Original Message----- From: Andreas Raab [mailto:andreas.raab@squeakland.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:41 PM To: 'John Voiklis'; squeakland@squeakland.org Subject: RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas
Hi John and all,
Thanks for all these ideas. I guess with the "pragma" idea then Tweak should be called the "Pragmatist" with the "idea" the "Idealist" (or are those the users of the system??? hm... ;-)
Well, I guess I'll wait until you're back from the seven mile run and see what your feelings are then ;-)
Cheers,
- Andreas
-----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org [mailto:squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of John Voiklis Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:16 PM To: squeakland@squeakland.org Subject: RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas
Why not call a Tweak object an "Idea"? This would be even
more Greek,
and more appropriate.
I like it; I'll try a seven mile run and mull it over. In the end though it isn't my call; still, whatever it is, I would love to help in developing the theory and practice.
Could we call it Idealistic Programming?
On the one hand, I like the half-kidding optimism, one the other such a term has a progandistic tinge. Maybe one could start with the spirit of Alan's term, Idea Processing, and come up with a clever yet self-evidently appropriate turn of phrase.
Again, it is not up to me, but I look forward to the intellectual work to come.
Best,
J
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