New subject: [Squeakland] Squeakland Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3

5 Aug 2005

      Ok, I must be blind, not really sure where to go and test out squeakland05.
Thanks,
Scott
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Squeak Etoys and preschoolers (Leonel Morgado)
Re: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Randy Heiland)
FW:  Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Randy Heiland)
Re: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Scott Wallace)
Re: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Randy Heiland)

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:31:59 +0100
From: Leonel Morgado leonel.morgado@gmail.com
Subject: [Squeakland] Squeak Etoys and preschoolers
To: squeakland@squeakland.org
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Hi,
 I'm interested on computer programming experiences with children

aged 3, 4 and 5.
     I was unable to find documented cases of Etoys use in this age
group, but expect that there should be at least a few user stories.
 If anyone has reports, photos, or even just recollections of

such cases, I would love to hear about them!
Int?,
Leonel Morgado

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:32:22 -0500
From: "Randy Heiland" heiland@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Please help us test "Squeakland05"
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Perhaps I'm losing my mind, but...
Today as I continue to add more pages to a 'Book' project, I paint an object
on the page, open its viewer, drag one of the assignment tiles (e.g. obj x's
position) into the page and, to my surprise, it doesn't automagically create
a script and put the assignment tile into it.  This is unlike the behavior
of the old image and, I thought, even the new image from my using it
yesterday.
--Randy

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:03:09 -0500
From: "Randy Heiland" heiland@indiana.edu
Subject: [Squeakland] FW:  Please help us test "Squeakland05"
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(oopsy, only sent to Kim the first time)
Using the new image, I created an object, created a variable for the object,
created a script with an assignment to the var, deleted the assignment tile
from the script, tried to 'remove' the var (using its menu in the viewer)
but was told it couldn't because the var was in use in a script - which it
ain't :)
--Randy

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:57:06 -0700
From: Scott Wallace scott.wallace@squeakland.org
Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Please help us test "Squeakland05"
To: "Randy Heiland" heiland@indiana.edu
Cc: squeakland@squeakland.org
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Hi, Randy,
Whether or not a phrase gets automatically expanded into a new Script 
when you drop it into a container depends on what the *container* 
decides is the right thing to do.  This is governed by the "playfield 
option" named "auto-phrase-expansion", which you can see and set from 
the "playfield options" menu of the container.
By default, BookPageMorphs, which are what the pages of a "Book" 
consist of, do *not* have the "auto-phrase-expansion" flag set, which 
is why when you drop a phrase in such a container, it does not 
automatically expand into a Script.
If you want a particular BookPage or Playfield to *have* that kind of 
behavior, bring up its Playfield Options menu, find the relevant 
checkbox, and check it.  Thenceforth, it will have that behavior.
Conversely, if you should happen *not* to want that kind of behavior 
on your "desktop" (aka the "world"), you can bring up the "playfield 
options" menu for the "world" and *uncheck* the auto-phrase-expansion 
option.
Experience has proven that both alternatives are really necessary, 
and we've set the defaults the way they are (on for the World, on for 
a "Scripting Area", off for a generic Playfield, off for a Holder, 
off for a default BookPage) based on perceived needs over the years.
So... what recourse do you have?
(1)  You can set the "auto-phrase-expansion" option of your book 
page(s) to true.
(2)  Or, whenever you want a phrase to be automatically expanded into 
a script, you, simply drop the phrase on the *desktop* to get the 
script created.  Once it's created, you can pick it up and place it 
on a book-page if you wish.
(3)  Finally, if, for whatever reason, you have a bare phrase, and 
you want to get it directly converted into a new script consisting of 
that phrase, there's an option at the bottom of the PhraseTile's halo 
menu to do just that -- look for "Sprout a new scriptor around this 
phrase."
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
-- Scott
PS:  Looking forward to seeing you in Chicago in just a few days!
At 1:32 PM -0500 8/3/05, Randy Heiland wrote:
...
Perhaps I'm losing my mind, but...
Today as I continue to add more pages to a 'Book' project, I paint an object
on the page, open its viewer, drag one of the assignment tiles (e.g. obj x's
position) into the page and, to my surprise, it doesn't automagically create
a script and put the assignment tile into it.  This is unlike the behavior
of the old image and, I thought, even the new image from my using it
yesterday.
--Randy

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:16:00 -0500
From: Randy Heiland heiland@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Please help us test "Squeakland05"
To: Scott Wallace scott.wallace@squeakland.org
Cc: squeakland@squeakland.org
Message-ID: 1D6A3601-6858-47DD-9BC8-F3C01D536232@indiana.edu
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Scott,
Thanks once again for your verbose explanation!  You're just too darn  
polite to say, "Randy, you *are* losing your mind" :)
I just ran the old image here on my miniMac at home and, sure enough,  
I get the same behavior - no auto-phrase-expansion in a book page.   
Sorry for not testing the old image before posting.
--Randy
On Aug 3, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Scott Wallace wrote:
...
Hi, Randy,
Whether or not a phrase gets automatically expanded into a new  
Script when you drop it into a container depends on what the  
*container* decides is the right thing to do.  This is governed by  
the "playfield option" named "auto-phrase-expansion", which you can  
see and set from the "playfield options" menu of the container.
By default, BookPageMorphs, which are what the pages of a "Book"  
consist of, do *not* have the "auto-phrase-expansion" flag set,  
which is why when you drop a phrase in such a container, it does  
not automatically expand into a Script.
If you want a particular BookPage or Playfield to *have* that kind  
of behavior, bring up its Playfield Options menu, find the relevant  
checkbox, and check it.  Thenceforth, it will have that behavior.
Conversely, if you should happen *not* to want that kind of  
behavior on your "desktop" (aka the "world"), you can bring up the  
"playfield options" menu for the "world" and *uncheck* the auto- 
phrase-expansion option.
Experience has proven that both alternatives are really necessary,  
and we've set the defaults the way they are (on for the World, on  
for a "Scripting Area", off for a generic Playfield, off for a  
Holder, off for a default BookPage) based on perceived needs over  
the years.
So... what recourse do you have?
(1)  You can set the "auto-phrase-expansion" option of your book  
page(s) to true.
(2)  Or, whenever you want a phrase to be automatically expanded  
into a script, you, simply drop the phrase on the *desktop* to get  
the script created.  Once it's created, you can pick it up and  
place it on a book-page if you wish.
(3)  Finally, if, for whatever reason, you have a bare phrase, and  
you want to get it directly converted into a new script consisting  
of that phrase, there's an option at the bottom of the PhraseTile's  
halo menu to do just that -- look for "Sprout a new scriptor around  
this phrase."
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
-- Scott
PS:  Looking forward to seeing you in Chicago in just a few days!
At 1:32 PM -0500 8/3/05, Randy Heiland wrote:
...
Perhaps I'm losing my mind, but...
Today as I continue to add more pages to a 'Book' project, I paint  
an object
on the page, open its viewer, drag one of the assignment tiles  
(e.g. obj x's
position) into the page and, to my surprise, it doesn't  
automagically create
a script and put the assignment tile into it.  This is unlike the  
behavior
of the old image and, I thought, even the new image from my using it
yesterday.
--Randy

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