squeakland August 2005

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FW: Please help us test "Squeakland05"
by Randy Heiland 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

(oopsy, only sent to Kim the first time) Using the new image, I created an object, created a variable for the object, created a script with an assignment to the var, deleted the assignment tile from the script, tried to 'remove' the var (using its menu in the viewer) but was told it couldn't because the var was in use in a script - which it ain't :) --Randy

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Re: [Squeakland] portuguese
by Leonel Morgado 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Oi Paulo You forgot to post the address! Inté, Leonel > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 20:55:46 -0300 > From: Paulo Drummond <ptdrumm(a)terra.com.br> > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] portuguese > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Message-ID: <42F3FC82.6000703(a)terra.com.br> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Jecel, Leonel and all portuguese-speaking Squeakers of this list! > > I started recently a website about Squeak, in portuguese. Please visit > and send your commentaries, suggestions etc. It is mostly on the use of > Squeak in education. I will be happy to include your work - etoys, > simulations, models etc in the "Projetos" section. Soon there will be a > forum, and also some project guides and tutorials to help Squeakers of > all ages to start 'squeaking'. > > The new version of Squeak, due shortly, will include tiles and most of > the interface translated into portuguese. Mind you - mainly our friends > of Portugal - that some wording will be in Brazilian Portuguese, which > means different names for otherwise known things. > > Paulo >

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Re: [Squeakland] Squeak Etoys and preschoolers
by Leonel Morgado 06 Aug '05

06 Aug '05

Hi Kim, Thanks immensely! I'm located in Portugal, so I guess I won't be attending the SqueakFest, but I will be waiting eagerly for Ann and Val's response. Inté, Leonel On 8/4/05, Kim Rose <kim.rose(a)squeakland.org> wrote: > Hello Leonel, > There was work done last year at Columbia > College's (Chicago) Early Childhood Education > dept. directed by Carol Ann Stowe and Val > Scarlatta -- I've copied them here. They > designed an Etoy interface appropriate for this > age child. > They will present this work at SqueakFest at > Columbia just next week -- I don't know where you > are located, but you should try to come! > Anyways...I hope Carol Ann and Val will respond to you directly. > regards, > Kim > > > At 5:31 PM +0100 8/3/05, Leonel Morgado wrote: > >Hi, > > > > I'm interested on computer programming experiences with children > >aged 3, 4 and 5. > > I was unable to find documented cases of Etoys use in this age > >group, but expect that there should be at least a few user stories. > > > > If anyone has reports, photos, or even just recollections of > >such cases, I would love to hear about them! > > > >Inté, > > > >Leonel Morgado > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Squeakland mailing list > >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > >

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viewer behavior in a Book
by Randy Heiland 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

Would there happen to be a flag/option that tells an object's viewer (and resulting icon) to be embedded into the Page in which it was created, rather than the default embedding in the overall Book? I want this behavior just because I typically create a full-screen-size Book and create Page-dependent objects. Thanks, Randy

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Re: [Squeakland] Squeakland Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3
by Scott D.S. Young 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

Ok, I must be blind, not really sure where to go and test out squeakland05. Thanks, Scott squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org wrote: >Send Squeakland mailing list submissions to > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > squeakland-owner(a)squeakland.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Squeakland digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Squeak Etoys and preschoolers (Leonel Morgado) > 2. Re: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Randy Heiland) > 3. FW: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Randy Heiland) > 4. Re: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Scott Wallace) > 5. Re: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Randy Heiland) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:31:59 +0100 >From: Leonel Morgado <leonel.morgado(a)gmail.com> >Subject: [Squeakland] Squeak Etoys and preschoolers >To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org >Message-ID: <80cf013705080309315d89b54d(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi, > > I'm interested on computer programming experiences with children >aged 3, 4 and 5. > I was unable to find documented cases of Etoys use in this age >group, but expect that there should be at least a few user stories. > > If anyone has reports, photos, or even just recollections of >such cases, I would love to hear about them! > >Int?, > >Leonel Morgado > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:32:22 -0500 >From: "Randy Heiland" <heiland(a)indiana.edu> >Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Please help us test "Squeakland05" >To: "'squeakland.org mailing list'" <squeakland(a)squeakland.org> >Message-ID: <200508031831.j73IVpou007599(a)mail-relay.iu.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Perhaps I'm losing my mind, but... >Today as I continue to add more pages to a 'Book' project, I paint an object >on the page, open its viewer, drag one of the assignment tiles (e.g. obj x's >position) into the page and, to my surprise, it doesn't automagically create >a script and put the assignment tile into it. This is unlike the behavior >of the old image and, I thought, even the new image from my using it >yesterday. > >--Randy > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:03:09 -0500 >From: "Randy Heiland" <heiland(a)indiana.edu> >Subject: [Squeakland] FW: Please help us test "Squeakland05" >To: "'squeakland.org mailing list'" <squeakland(a)squeakland.org> >Message-ID: <200508031902.j73J2fou008834(a)mail-relay.iu.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >(oopsy, only sent to Kim the first time) > >Using the new image, I created an object, created a variable for the object, >created a script with an assignment to the var, deleted the assignment tile >from the script, tried to 'remove' the var (using its menu in the viewer) >but was told it couldn't because the var was in use in a script - which it >ain't :) > >--Randy > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:57:06 -0700 >From: Scott Wallace <scott.wallace(a)squeakland.org> >Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Please help us test "Squeakland05" >To: "Randy Heiland" <heiland(a)indiana.edu> >Cc: squeakland(a)squeakland.org >Message-ID: <a05200f35bf173a7f00b8(a)[10.0.1.2]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Hi, Randy, > >Whether or not a phrase gets automatically expanded into a new Script >when you drop it into a container depends on what the *container* >decides is the right thing to do. This is governed by the "playfield >option" named "auto-phrase-expansion", which you can see and set from >the "playfield options" menu of the container. > >By default, BookPageMorphs, which are what the pages of a "Book" >consist of, do *not* have the "auto-phrase-expansion" flag set, which >is why when you drop a phrase in such a container, it does not >automatically expand into a Script. > >If you want a particular BookPage or Playfield to *have* that kind of >behavior, bring up its Playfield Options menu, find the relevant >checkbox, and check it. Thenceforth, it will have that behavior. > >Conversely, if you should happen *not* to want that kind of behavior >on your "desktop" (aka the "world"), you can bring up the "playfield >options" menu for the "world" and *uncheck* the auto-phrase-expansion >option. > >Experience has proven that both alternatives are really necessary, >and we've set the defaults the way they are (on for the World, on for >a "Scripting Area", off for a generic Playfield, off for a Holder, >off for a default BookPage) based on perceived needs over the years. > >So... what recourse do you have? > >(1) You can set the "auto-phrase-expansion" option of your book >page(s) to true. > >(2) Or, whenever you want a phrase to be automatically expanded into >a script, you, simply drop the phrase on the *desktop* to get the >script created. Once it's created, you can pick it up and place it >on a book-page if you wish. > >(3) Finally, if, for whatever reason, you have a bare phrase, and >you want to get it directly converted into a new script consisting of >that phrase, there's an option at the bottom of the PhraseTile's halo >menu to do just that -- look for "Sprout a new scriptor around this >phrase." > >Hope this helps, > >Cheers, > > -- Scott > >PS: Looking forward to seeing you in Chicago in just a few days! > >At 1:32 PM -0500 8/3/05, Randy Heiland wrote: > > >>Perhaps I'm losing my mind, but... >>Today as I continue to add more pages to a 'Book' project, I paint an object >>on the page, open its viewer, drag one of the assignment tiles (e.g. obj x's >>position) into the page and, to my surprise, it doesn't automagically create >>a script and put the assignment tile into it. This is unlike the behavior >>of the old image and, I thought, even the new image from my using it >>yesterday. >> >>--Randy >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Squeakland mailing list >>Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >>http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:16:00 -0500 >From: Randy Heiland <heiland(a)indiana.edu> >Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Please help us test "Squeakland05" >To: Scott Wallace <scott.wallace(a)squeakland.org> >Cc: squeakland(a)squeakland.org >Message-ID: <1D6A3601-6858-47DD-9BC8-F3C01D536232(a)indiana.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >Scott, > >Thanks once again for your verbose explanation! You're just too darn >polite to say, "Randy, you *are* losing your mind" :) >I just ran the old image here on my miniMac at home and, sure enough, >I get the same behavior - no auto-phrase-expansion in a book page. >Sorry for not testing the old image before posting. > >--Randy > > >On Aug 3, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Scott Wallace wrote: > > > >>Hi, Randy, >> >>Whether or not a phrase gets automatically expanded into a new >>Script when you drop it into a container depends on what the >>*container* decides is the right thing to do. This is governed by >>the "playfield option" named "auto-phrase-expansion", which you can >>see and set from the "playfield options" menu of the container. >> >>By default, BookPageMorphs, which are what the pages of a "Book" >>consist of, do *not* have the "auto-phrase-expansion" flag set, >>which is why when you drop a phrase in such a container, it does >>not automatically expand into a Script. >> >>If you want a particular BookPage or Playfield to *have* that kind >>of behavior, bring up its Playfield Options menu, find the relevant >>checkbox, and check it. Thenceforth, it will have that behavior. >> >>Conversely, if you should happen *not* to want that kind of >>behavior on your "desktop" (aka the "world"), you can bring up the >>"playfield options" menu for the "world" and *uncheck* the auto- >>phrase-expansion option. >> >>Experience has proven that both alternatives are really necessary, >>and we've set the defaults the way they are (on for the World, on >>for a "Scripting Area", off for a generic Playfield, off for a >>Holder, off for a default BookPage) based on perceived needs over >>the years. >> >>So... what recourse do you have? >> >>(1) You can set the "auto-phrase-expansion" option of your book >>page(s) to true. >> >>(2) Or, whenever you want a phrase to be automatically expanded >>into a script, you, simply drop the phrase on the *desktop* to get >>the script created. Once it's created, you can pick it up and >>place it on a book-page if you wish. >> >>(3) Finally, if, for whatever reason, you have a bare phrase, and >>you want to get it directly converted into a new script consisting >>of that phrase, there's an option at the bottom of the PhraseTile's >>halo menu to do just that -- look for "Sprout a new scriptor around >>this phrase." >> >>Hope this helps, >> >>Cheers, >> >> -- Scott >> >>PS: Looking forward to seeing you in Chicago in just a few days! >> >>At 1:32 PM -0500 8/3/05, Randy Heiland wrote: >> >> >> >>>Perhaps I'm losing my mind, but... >>>Today as I continue to add more pages to a 'Book' project, I paint >>>an object >>>on the page, open its viewer, drag one of the assignment tiles >>>(e.g. obj x's >>>position) into the page and, to my surprise, it doesn't >>>automagically create >>>a script and put the assignment tile into it. This is unlike the >>>behavior >>>of the old image and, I thought, even the new image from my using it >>>yesterday. >>> >>>--Randy >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Squeakland mailing list >>>Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >>>http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > >End of Squeakland Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3 >***************************************** > > > -- Scott D.S. Young Cartoonist/Illustrator http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cowt00n Technology Instructor Grades K - 8th http://www.nativityschool.com "To understand others one must intensify their individualism." -Oscar Wilde

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Re: [Squeakland] reflection symmetry
by Randy Heiland 04 Aug '05

04 Aug '05

Hi Phil, Your question made me try it out using the new Squeakland05 image, but no, it still does not work as one would expect. As far as symmetries go, I posted the sym-nature Etoys project that we did at http://sda.iu.edu/K-12/ , in case you hadn't seen that yet. I really should go back and do it better, now that my Etoys skills have improved. I don't see your name on this year's Squeakfest attendees, but if you're planning to be there I'll see you in Chicago! --Randy > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Firsenbaum [mailto:tacmanphil@mac.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:21 AM > To: Randy Heiland > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] reflection symmetry > > Randy, > Wondering if you ever got to solve this problem or do any more work > related to symmetry using Squeak... > > Phil > > On Feb 1, 2005, at 9:42 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > > > > Hi Randy -- > > > > I think this one is a bug (or in this case more accurately: an > > unimplemented feature). It should perform the way you want (and I > > think we should put in this feature). But there is a way to script > > in etoys what you are trying to do. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alan > > > > ------- > > > > At 12:57 PM 2/1/2005, Randy Heiland wrote: > > > > > >> I'm attempting to perform a 2-D reflection symmetry on an object > >> by doing a > >> left-right flip 180 degs - as depicted in the attached jpg > >> (assuming it > >> comes across OK). Basically what I've done is sketched 1/2 of a > >> (bilaterally symmetric) leaf, moved its rotation center to the > >> axis of > >> reflection, and in a script: > >> > >> Sketch's rotationStyle - flip left right > >> Sketch turn by 180 > >> > >> However, when I execute the script, the object gets flipped "in > >> place", > >> about the center of the object (as if I'd never moved the rotation > >> center), > >> rather than about the rotation center as I desired. In fact, > >> moving the > >> rotation center anywhere has no effect on the flip action. > >> > >> Suggestions? > >> > >> --Randy > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Squeakland mailing list > >> Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > >> http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Squeakland mailing list > > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > > > > >

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Call for Participation - C5-06
by Kim Rose 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

Hi, folks - We're announcing the fourth "C5" Conference, previously held in Kyoto, Japan. Viewpoints is a sponsor and partner. We'd love your participation. Please see the website (url below) and share with colleagues, etc. See proceedings from past conferences (on the site) to get a feel for past papers and participants. cheers, -- Kim ============================================================ CALL FOR PROPOSALS "C5-06" THE FOURTH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON CREATING, CONNECTING, AND COLLABORATING THROUGH COMPUTING JANUARY 26-27, 2006 BERKELEY, CA http://www.db.soc.i.kyoto-u.ac.jp/c5-06/ Scope Computers and networks now touch the lives of us all, from the youngest to the eldest members of the information society. The way we use them today, as passive consumers of human-based computer activities, must undergo radical improvement if we are to evolve into a true knowledge society. Effectively supporting active creation, connection and collaboration among all members of the knowledge society will be essential for future computer-based human activities. The C5 conference is for researchers, developers and computer users who are concerned about these issues. It is an international forum for presenting ongoing work and discussing future needs and directions in the areas of creative and collaborative computing and multimedia authoring environments -- for work, play and learning. We welcome equally the submission of technical papers and practitioner/experience reports. Topics of Interest Topics of interest include but not limited to: Development and applications of wide area collaboration enviroment User collaboration utilizing 3D, multimedia, and animation objects Technologies for creating educational environments Computer-Supported Collaborative Learning (CSCL) Computer-Supported Cooperative Work (CSCW), virtual teaming, distributed work, and e-collaboration Hybrid technology activities, such as scientific experiments, instrumentation, robots, and game playing

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comment on squeakland home page
by Randy Heiland 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

FWIW, just thought I'd mention that on the home page of Squeakland, the bottom part of the left frame (including the Squeakfest link and the Help us Grow link) are not visible/reachable in a browser on my laptop screen. As more images/links appear in that left frame (like the Squeak News one there now), this becomes more of an issue. --Randy

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script menu: 'add parameter'
by Randy Heiland 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

Can someone offer some example uses of the 'add parameter' item on the script menu? Thanks, Randy

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