squeakland June 2010

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seymour papert joins squeakland
by Timothy Falconer 20 Jun '10

20 Jun '10

Hi everyone, I'm very happy to announce that Seymour Papert is now a part of the Squeakland Foundation: http://squeakland.org/about/people/ The photo is a recent one of Seymour. He's doing well, reading the New York Times each morning, working on projects from home. We are of course thrilled to have him part of the team. Take care, Tim -- Timothy Falconer Squeakland Foundation http://squeakland.org 610-797-3100 -- "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do." ... piaget

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New tiles "Say/Think" tiles
by Ricardo Moran 20 Jun '10

20 Jun '10

Hi all, Last week Randall proposed to add "say" and "think" tiles just like Scratch. I've been working on that and I made a simple project for you to test it: http://tecnodacta.com.ar/gira/gsoc/NedroidComic2.029.pr. I added the "say/think" commands and a slot with the current bubble, thus allowing the user to make scripts with it. You can find the new tiles in the "gsoc" category (I don't know which category would be most appropriate, maybe "miscellaneous"?). In addition to making the bubbles pop up using the "say/think" tiles I also put the bubbles in the Object Catalog as separate objects. You can resize them, change their message, rotate them, change their color, etc. You can find them in the "GSoC" category (again, I'm not sure where to put them, the "graphics" category seems appropriate I think). They include a "bubble" category with commands to attach the bubble to a morph and a slot to see the current attachment. Anyway, I think this is a great addition but I need your opinions before uploading it to Etoys, so any comment would be greatly appreciated :) Thanks in advance! Richo

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Etoys en el aula de Ciencia, Tecnología, Ingeniería y Matemática
by Carlos Rabassa 19 Jun '10

19 Jun '10

Just in case someone in this English language list wants to pass this translation to Spanish of the invitation and call for presentations from Squeakfest USA 2010, to friends, family or other lists, here it is: Traducción Anuncio Squeakfest 2010 http://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=18wmMkPo9UH8pDUhlS3HNsdrb7NTpjc4HsAI… We do know a pretty good command of the English language is necessary to enjoy participation in Squeakfest 2010. But, we also know something written or spoken in our native language calls our attention, whether or not we need the translation. The workshops and the work done in UNCW seem to be an important part of the conference, maybe someone will attend if a bilingual friend also attends and offers to help. To this day, we are still hearing stories in Uruguay about how much they enjoyed the workshops in Porto Alegre last year. One of the uruguayan teachers from close to the brazilian border who in addition to Spanish, speaks English and Portuguese, Charles Soares, helped the communications of the uruguayan teachers with the Squeakland delegates, who left a lasting excellent impression. Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Montevideo, Uruguay Plan Ceibal Support Network http://rapceibal.ning.com/

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edu meeting notes June 17
by Rita Freudenberg 17 Jun '10

17 Jun '10

participants: Marta, Steve, Kathleen, Cherry, David, Randy, Rita We discussed Steve's start with the "Etoys house cleaning"-document. Steve writes a message to the list to discuss the suggestions of things to remove. Kathleen started commenting what her kids are using duplicate magnifiers for. This discussion will go on on the mailing list. We need to make any final decisions when the next Etoys release is due, probably at feature freeze. We are having another book sprint this week, because we want to finish the Etoys reference manual before Squeakfest. There are some things to do right now, but we need any help we can get to review the beta version as soon as we have it! Please let us know if you want to help! We are writing here: http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Etoys/WebHome Squeakfest is coming soon: Please anyone, who plans to present something at Squeakfest, submit your presentation here: http://squeakland.org/squeakfest/submit/ Also, registration is open! Early bird registration is available until July, 11. Register here: https://aceweb.uncw.edu/CourseStatus.awp?~~11BCFN0335 Don't miss this highlight of the year! Greetings, Rita Rita Freudenberg rita(a)isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de

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Etoys House Cleaning
by Steve Thomas 17 Jun '10

17 Jun '10

Folks, A lot of exciting things are going on in the Etoys community with developers working on a new version, the upcoming Squeakfest in Wilmington and as we work towards completion of an Etoys Manual. We are going through all the objects and tiles in Etoys to see if we can consolidate things a bit. As such we are looking for input from the community on things that may duplicate functionality or be broken or not useful. We have created a web page with the list of items to consider here<https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AtrfJTLQFG4ndGpuOVpOR25WSE1YbGU2N3…> Here is one entry as a sample, something I originally thought was useless and duplicate yet learned some new things and found cool uses for it: *Item*: Hand Magnifier and Magnifier: *Description*: They both have the same attributes in the magnifier category. The only difference is "show pointer" is true for the hand magnifier. When true this shows a dot in the center of the magnifier to indicate where your mouse is pointing. The only potential use I see for this is when trying to click on those tiny items (like the "etoys friendly" button or when editing a picture and you need fine grained control. The open question is whether the remaining object has "show pointer" set to true or false. They appear to be functional duplicates *Cool Usage*: Having a hard time clicking on those arrows inside a script? Bring out a Hand Magnifier and you can actually see where your mouse is pointing even on those tiny arrows and checkboxes. Kathleen raised a good point that some of her kids bring out multiple magnifiers and play with them including overlaying magnifiers. If you have any suggestions please feel free to respond on the squeakland mailing list. Thanks, Stephen

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"Clean House" list (was Re: [etoys-dev] Floss Manual Question )
by David Corking 17 Jun '10

17 Jun '10

Steve Thomas wrote (to etoys-dev) : > The education team has created a "Etoys Clean House" list ... > It is a Google Doc we can all work on if you think we should share it with > the developer community we can add folks and can also consider making it > publicly viewable and editable only upon invitation. Rita Freudenberg replied: > Yes, I think this should be public. Can you send it to the squeakland list > and ask everyone to comment? Would wiki.squeakland.org be a good place where the whole community can work on it? David

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Microsoft, Plan Ceibal, Computadoras para Enseñanza Secundaria
by Carlos Rabassa 16 Jun '10

16 Jun '10

We wrote a page in response to a question received and an article recently published in OLPC News. Microsoft, Plan Ceibal, Computers for High School in Uruguay: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dg7q79cx_786d3957hc6 As it frequently occurs today, internet provides us with the best and most abundant information within easy reach but, we always are taking the risk of transmitting inaccurate information. The best defense to control this risk is to ask all readers to report our errors to us so we may correct them. Thanks, Carlos y Nenny Rabassa

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Squeakfest 2010 Registration is now Open!
by Rita Freudenberg 15 Jun '10

15 Jun '10

Come join us in the picturesque town of Wilmington North Carolina for Squeakfest 2010. This year we are gathering at the home of National Science Foundation's project USeIT (Using Squeak to Infuse Technology). Learn how Squeak Etoys is used in the K-12 STEM classroom. Children and educators can also sign up for workshops to learn how to use Squeak Etoys. There's fun for everyone! Registration is now open here. (https://aceweb.uncw.edu/CourseStatus.awp?~~11BCFN0335) Also visit Wilmington's Visitor's site (http://www.capefearcoast.com/) to see how you can extend your stay in this beautiful coastal town. Call for papers and presentations are still open. Please see the attached flier for more information.

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Etoys developer chat log
by Bert Freudenberg 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

We had a chat again: * Etoys will follow the Sugar release schedule: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.90/Roadmap * should prepare a first alpha release in June, with translations and DrGeo for wider testing * also camera support hopefully, need to simplify interface * there is a decompiler problem, possibly because of Eliot's changes * multi-touch working pretty well on iPad now * need idea about how to debug missing mouse-overs Full log below, as usual. And see you next Monday, same time: http://tinyurl.com/2bjpzbe - Bert - <bertf> hi karl <karlram> hi <karlram> not maye here <karlram> many <bertf> yep <bertf> busy, hopefully ;) <karlram> he he <karlram> I had some issues with a ehancement I integrated <karlram> enhancement <bertf> the broken viewers? --> hilaire (~hilaire(a)bon74-1-88-184-136-97.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #etoys <bertf> ah, hi hilaire :) <karlram> jup , it added all sort of stuff to variables categorie <hilaire> hello <karlram> hi <bertf> do you think it's okay now? <karlram> It was a one line fix <bertf> good <bertf> hilaire: thanks for submitting dr geo :) <karlram> But images must get past the bad fix without opening a viewer.... <bertf> I wouldn't worry too much abouht that <karlram> Ok <bertf> we're just a handful people updating regularly I think <karlram> you are right <bertf> do we need a do-it to fix it, if someone loaded the broken version? <karlram> I had another issue <karlram> deleting a etoy variable seems broken <karlram> when the variable is part of a etoy script <bertf> hmm. that should be a blocker ticket <bertf> just so it is not forgotten <bertf> you mean when the var is already used in a script? <karlram> I'll add it, the Decompiler complains about some issues <bertf> ah. might have to do with eliots changes then <karlram> Should I notify Eliot ? <bertf> wouldn't hurt <karlram> Ok <bertf> in any case, we should commit to a release schedule. I think adopting the Sugar one makes sense <karlram> and sugar release is ? <bertf> a July release would be too rushed <bertf> I sent mail about that, give me a second to find it <bertf> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.90/Roadmap <karlram> July seems very close <bertf> right. september sounds sensible <bertf> we still should try to get an alpha release out asap <bertf> including dr geo and the new translations <bertf> so more people can test that stuff <karlram> Sound good <karlram> dr geo is big , in many ways <karlram> :-) <karlram> a huge framework <karlram> and lots of classes <karlram> and lot and lots of new stuff to learn :-) <bertf> indeed <bertf> but if we can get the fonts out of the image, we still will have a smaller image even with dr geo included <bertf> richo started on that <bertf> he pushed Andreas' font loader code <bertf> maybe we should start freezign features a bit earlier than the Sugar schedule ... <bertf> hilaire: did you want to talk about somethign specifically? <karlram> what about the camera morph stuff ? <karlram> wait another release to mature? <hilaire> bertf: no <bertf> karlram: no I think it would be a nice feature to have <bertf> karlram: but I would start simple <bertf> hilaire: okay. thanks for stopping by :) <bertf> karlram: the current one has too many controls. we should put in just the bare minimum and then see what people find missing <bertf> but having camera support on all platforms would be awesome <karlram> Sounds good <karlram> Many of the controls are a bit hard to understand :-) <bertf> yeah <hilaire> I need to rest <hilaire> bye <karlram> ye <karlram> bye <hilaire> add a hard time with students today.. <-- hilaire (~hilaire(a)bon74-1-88-184-136-97.fbx.proxad.net) has left #etoys <karlram> Students are not always what you want them to be :-) <karlram> I sent a mail to Eliot about http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-710 <bertf> thanks <bertf> I got multitouch workign this weekend :) <bertf> on the iPad <bertf> you can draw with more than one finger, or move multiple objects at once <bertf> pretty cool <bertf> now if you also could rotate and scale them with two fingers that would be awesome :) <karlram> Oh, sound cool <bertf> And now that I compiled the VM with enabled optimizations it's even quite usable ;) <karlram> I remember some issues with mouse over states from earlier touch based computers <bertf> I was using it without optimizations for like two weeks .. was rather slow <bertf> yes, some things rely on mouse overs <bertf> e.g. the color selector in the paint box <bertf> I'd have thought it goes away on mouse-up, but apparently noe <bertf> not <bertf> hmm. your Etoys-kfr.19 looks identical ... <karlram> I was fighting mouse over issue with SelectionMourh, very annoying.... <bertf> but there is no diff <bertf> no changes <karlram> Hm, very weird, my image had the wrong method still displaying... <karlram> I got confuced... <karlram> confused <karlram> lol <bertf> always check changes before committing <karlram> I know <karlram> Back to the mouse over issues, do you know a good way to debug them ? <bertf> I'd simulate at touch event <bertf> that is, filter out all mousemove events that have button=0 <bertf> so you only get mouse down, move, and up, but no moves after mouse up <bertf> that should recreate the problem on a normal machine <karlram> ok <karlram> ipad is not a very fast machine ? <bertf> karlram: it feels very fast <bertf> just not in etoys <bertf> for Etoys it's about the XO-1 speed I would say <bertf> so not great but usable <bertf> okay, thanks for chatting, I'll send the log as usual :)

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Need Help
by Carlos Rabassa 13 Jun '10

13 Jun '10

Someone asked us how to include in an Etoys book a link to a website. I don´t know the answer. Could someone help us? Thanks!! Carlos Rabassa Montevideo, Uruguay

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